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No one in particular: Seeing Stats

2012-10-05T04:39:16Z

Seeing Stats

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	A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}		A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}
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		+	Commanders can see the [[Move]], [[Hits]], [[Attack]] and [[Defense]] stats for a unit. {{erf\|1\|040a}} It is likely that Commanders can also see the Specials a unit has, but not the Name or details of the Special. (Stanley can't remember Jack's name while Parson can see it{{erf\|1\|108}}, Wanda admits she can't see Delphie's discipline {{blog\|2011\|11\|inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-–-episode-011/}})

	Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.		Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.

Cloudbreaker: added an image of a commander commanding

2011-05-22T07:08:51Z

added an image of a commander commanding

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	=Proposed Canon=		=Proposed Canon=
	A Commander is a [[unit]] that can lead a [[stack]].{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}} It is a term that includes both [[Casters]] and [[Warlords]] and anyone else that can provide leadership functions.		A Commander is a [[unit]] that can lead a [[stack]].{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}} It is a term that includes both [[Casters]] and [[Warlords]] and anyone else that can provide leadership functions.

Bcent1234: /* Duty */

2011-03-19T02:44:03Z

Duty

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	==Duty==		==Duty==
-	[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. (And therefore the least effect on Casters.) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}}	+	[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. (And therefore the least effect on [[Casters]].) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}}

	==Commander as Position==		==Commander as Position==

Bcent1234: /* Resolution #2 */

2011-03-19T02:43:12Z

Resolution #2

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	===Resolution #2===		===Resolution #2===
-	Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "[[Ration]]s pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have leadership because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4. Commanders can lead ~~stacks~~, but do not actually have the Leadership natural ability.	+	Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "[[Ration]]s pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have [[leadership]] because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4. Commanders can lead [[stack]]s, but do not actually have the [[Leadership]] [[natural ability]].

	===Resolution #3===		===Resolution #3===

Glenn: /* Proposed Canon */

2009-12-08T06:35:17Z

Proposed Canon

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	Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.		Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.
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		+	Because of the [[Arkendish]], all Commanders have the ability to mentally contact the [[Archons]] in [[Charlie]]'s Tower, though it can sometimes take hours or days to do so.

	=Speculation=		=Speculation=

Commander I. Heartly Noah: /* Proposed Canon */

2009-10-29T20:19:11Z

Proposed Canon

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	A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}		A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.{{erf\|1\|040a\|Parson's Klog #4}}
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		+	Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.

	=Speculation=		=Speculation=

Commander I. Heartly Noah at 17:28, 20 July 2009

2009-07-20T17:28:04Z

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	==Duty==		==Duty==
	[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. (And therefore the least effect on Casters.) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}}		[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. (And therefore the least effect on Casters.) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf\|1\|084a\|Parson's Klog #10}}
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		+	==Commander as Position==
		+	When Parson is summoned, Wanda refers to him, seemingly from habit, as "Commander." However, Stanley then corrects her, saying, "I haven't made him a Commander yet."{{erf\|1\|019}} (Then, after renaming himself Tool, Stanley officially names Parson Chief Warlord).
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		+	This leads to the inference, you are [[pop]]ped (or summoned, or promoted) as a Warlord or Caster. That's what you ''are''. Commander is a position that you may fill at the behest of your [[Ruler]]. So, theoretically, when a Warlord pops, the Ruler can decline to make him a Commander. This might make it impossible for him to lead [[Stack]]s of that [[Side]]'s troops, in essence making that Warlord a solo act.
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		+	The only possible motivation I can see is fear of treason or incompetence from a Warlord with low Duty, Loyalty, or Obedience. It also brings into question the regular references of Barbarian Warlord Jillian Zamussels as "Commander," but that's explainable by a)her commanding the [[Gwiffon]]s in her stack, and b) being her own Ruler, and therefore able to "name" herself Commander.

	==Use as a Title==		==Use as a Title==

Commander I. Heartly Noah: /* Use as a Title */

2009-07-17T18:36:27Z

Use as a Title

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	==Use as a Title==		==Use as a Title==
-	~~Word~~ "Commander" is used as a title to address [[Warlord\|Warlords]] and, ~~occasionally~~, [[Caster\|Casters]]. In this sense words "[[Warlord]]" and "Commander" seem to be used interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect.	+	The word "Commander" is often used as a title to address [[Warlord\|Warlords]] and, less frequently, [[Caster\|Casters]]. In this sense, the words "[[Warlord]]" and "Commander" seem to be used almost interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect, and is perhaps more formal.
	===Incidents of Use of Titles===		===Incidents of Use of Titles===
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Kreistor: /* Resolution #3 */

2009-07-16T13:47:54Z

Resolution #3

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	Makes sense. Except for certain exceptions. Like, say... the bonus those golems get if they're led by a Dirtamancer. Or the huge one to Uncroaked units being led by a Croakamancer(!)."		Makes sense. Except for certain exceptions. Like, say... the bonus those golems get if they're led by a Dirtamancer. Or the huge one to Uncroaked units being led by a Croakamancer(!)."

-	In context, the conflicting statement is sandwiched between two statements about Leadership bonuses. It is stated that Commanders, Casters included, can perform leadership functions despite having a leadership of 0. From that knowledge, it follows that ''Only Warlords confer a leadership bonus to troops that they lead.'' Rob may have intended "Only Warlords have leadership" to be synonymous with this statement. Commanders have Leadership, ~~because Klog #10 has been taken out~~ of ~~context~~.	+	In context, the conflicting statement is sandwiched between two statements about Leadership bonuses. It is stated that Commanders, Casters included, can perform leadership functions despite having a leadership of 0. From that knowledge, it follows that ''Only Warlords confer a leadership bonus to troops that they lead.'' Rob may have intended "Only Warlords have leadership" to be synonymous with this statement. Commanders have Leadership, but with a bonus of 0.

	===Resolution #4===		===Resolution #4===

Kreistor: /* Resolution #2 */

2009-07-16T13:46:48Z

Resolution #2

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	===Resolution #2===		===Resolution #2===
-	Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "[[Ration]]s pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have leadership because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4.	+	Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "[[Ration]]s pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have leadership because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4. Commanders can lead stacks, but do not actually have the Leadership natural ability.

	===Resolution #3===		===Resolution #3===