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Commander is a [[unit]] with an ability to lead other units in combat. [[Warlord|Warlords]] (including [[Chief Warlord|Chief Warlords]]) and [[Caster|Casters]] are Commanders.
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==Contradiction in Terminology==
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=Proposed Canon=
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A Commander is a [[unit]] that can lead a [[stack]].{{erf|1|040a|Parson's Klog #4}}{{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}} It is a term that includes both [[Casters]] and [[Warlords]] and anyone else that can provide leadership functions.
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[[Parson]] states at one point that "any unit with leadership ability is called a ''Commander'' or ''Warlord''" and "these units give a bonus to units under their command"{{erf|1|040a|Parson's Klog #4}}.
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A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.{{erf|1|040a|Parson's Klog #4}}
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That contradicts with other statements that "only warlords have Leadership" {{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}} and that [[Caster|Casters]] are Commanders too{{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}}, but with no Leadership ability.
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Commanders can see the [[Move]], [[Hits]], [[Attack]] and [[Defense]] stats for a unit. {{erf|1|040a}} It is likely that Commanders can also see the Specials a unit has, but not the Name or details of the Special. (Stanley can't remember Jack's name while Parson can see it{{erf|1|108}}, Wanda admits she can't see Delphie's discipline {{blog|2011|11|inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-–-episode-011/}})
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It seems that "Commander" is a more general term - Commanders have an ability to lead other units in combat (not necessarily deriving from Leadership natural ability) while [[Warlord|Warlords]] are Commanders who have Leadership ability and thus give units under their command a Leadership bonus. It should be noted that in some special cases [[Caster|Casters]] can give a bonus to ''certain'' units under their command (known examples are [[Golems]] led by a [[Dirtamancer]] and [[uncroaked]] led by a [[Croakamancer]]){{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}}.
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Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.
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Therefore, every [[Warlord]] is a Commander, but not every Commander is a [[Warlord]].
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Because of the [[Arkendish]], all Commanders have the ability to mentally contact the [[Archons]] in [[Charlie]]'s Tower, though it can sometimes take hours or days to do so.
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=Speculation=
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The term Commander is used in two separate ways. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a unit has the ability to lead a stack in [[combat]]. All such units, including Casters, Warlords, and [[Chief Warlord]]s, are periodically called Commander by their associates and superiors as a title. The exception would be [[Ruler]]s, who can lead troops and are therefore Commanders, but whose higher rank and title would prevent anyone ever calling them "Commander."
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==Conflicting Terminology==
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In Klog #4{{erf|1|040a}}, Parson states, 'any unit with [[leadership]] ability is called a "Commander" or "Warlord".' In Klog #10{{erf|1|084a}}, Parson states that 'Only Warlords have leadership.' This presents two conflicting statements about the same subject. There are multiple resolutions to this problem.
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===Resolution #1===
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[[Warlords]] are called "Commander" periodically. Parson is speaking only of Warlords in Klog #4, but due to his inexperience with titles he has confused the term "Commander" used as a title with that of the official rank of "Commander". Resolution: There never was a rank of Commander separate from Warlord.
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===Resolution #2===
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Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "[[Ration]]s pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have [[leadership]] because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4. Commanders can lead [[stack]]s, but do not actually have the [[Leadership]] [[natural ability]].
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===Resolution #3===
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"Only Warlords have leadership" has been taken out of context. The full quote is, "He told me that Casters are Commanders, and can lead stacks, but they almost never do. Casters are too rare and valuable to risk, and they give no leadership bonus to the stack anyway. Only Warlords have leadership.
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Makes sense. Except for certain exceptions. Like, say... the bonus those golems get if they're led by a Dirtamancer. Or the huge one to Uncroaked units being led by a Croakamancer(!)."
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In context, the conflicting statement is sandwiched between two statements about Leadership bonuses. It is stated that Commanders, Casters included, can perform leadership functions despite having a leadership of 0. From that knowledge, it follows that ''Only Warlords confer a leadership bonus to troops that they lead.'' Rob may have intended "Only Warlords have leadership" to be synonymous with this statement. Commanders have Leadership, but with a bonus of 0.
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===Resolution #4===
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There is no conflict of terminology. When it says '"Commanders" or "Warlord[s]"' have Leadership, it's not naming two unit types with Leadership, but giving two alternate names for the same unit type. That should be the end of it, but to clarify further:
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"Commander" is a blanket term for any unit that can lead a stack, including Warlords, who have Leadership, and Casters, who don't.
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In Klog #4, when Parson says any unit with Leadership is called a "Commander" or "Warlord," he is correct. Every Warlord has Leadership and can also be called "Commander." However, he does not realize that Casters, who have no Leadership, can also be called "Commander." In Klog #10, he learns that Casters are Commanders too, which amends his previous knowledge. He learns that though both Warlords and Casters are Commanders, only Warlords have Leadership. (And only Casters cast spells. This is the key difference between the two types of Commander, though there may be others).
==Duty==
==Duty==
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[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that an Overlord exerts on all his subjects.
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[[Duty]] is one of the three effects of Natural [[Thinkamancy]] (besides [[Obedience]] and [[Loyalty]]) that a [[Ruler]] exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on [[Chief Warlord]]s. (And therefore the least effect on [[Casters]].) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}}
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Duty affects Commanders only. Has Higher effect on Warlords, highest on [[Chief Warlord]]. Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.{{erf|1|084a|Parson's Klog #10}}
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==Commander as Position==
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When Parson is summoned, Wanda refers to him, seemingly from habit, as "Commander." However, Stanley then corrects her, saying, "I haven't made him a Commander yet."{{erf|1|019}} (Then, after renaming himself Tool, Stanley officially names Parson Chief Warlord).
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==Use as a Title==
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This leads to the inference, you are [[pop]]ped (or summoned, or promoted) as a Warlord or Caster. That's what you ''are''. Commander is a position that you may fill at the behest of your [[Ruler]]. So, theoretically, when a Warlord pops, the Ruler can decline to make him a Commander. This might make it impossible for him to lead [[Stack]]s of that [[Side]]'s troops, in essence making that Warlord a solo act.
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Word "Commander" is used as a title to address [[Warlord|Warlords]] and, occasionally, [[Caster|Casters]]. In this sense words "[[Warlord]]" and "Commander" seem to be used interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect.
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[[Stanley]] addresses [[Wanda]] as Commander{{erf|1|017}}, [[Wanda]] addresses [[Parson]] as Commander {{erf|1|019}}, [[Jillian]] addresses [[Webinar]] as Commander{{erf|1|050}}, [[Webinar]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|050}}, [[Ansom]] addresses [[Jillian]] almost exclusively as Commander{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|073}}{{erf|1|080}}, [[Jaclyn]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Commander {{erf|1|066}}, another [[archon]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|069}}.
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The only possible motivation I can see is fear of treason or incompetence from a Warlord with low Duty, Loyalty, or Obedience. It also brings into question the regular references of Barbarian Warlord Jillian Zamussels as "Commander," but that's explainable by a)her commanding the [[Gwiffon]]s in her stack, and b) being her own Ruler, and therefore able to "name" herself Commander.
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==Use as a Title==
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The word "Commander" is often used as a title to address [[Warlord|Warlords]] and, less frequently, [[Caster|Casters]]. In this sense, the words "[[Warlord]]" and "Commander" seem to be used almost interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect, and is perhaps more formal.
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===Incidents of Use of Titles===
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Commander as title:
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*[[Stanley]] addresses [[Wanda]] as Commander{{erf|1|017}}
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*[[Wanda]] addresses [[Parson]] as Commander {{erf|1|019}}
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*[[Jillian]] addresses [[Webinar]] as Commander{{erf|1|050}}
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*[[Ansom]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Commander{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|056}}{{erf|1|073}}{{erf|1|080}}
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*[[Jaclyn]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Commander {{erf|1|066}}
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Warlord as title:
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*[[Webinar]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|050}}
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*[[Archon]] addresses [[Jillian]] as Warlord{{erf|1|069}}.
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[edit] Proposed Canon

A Commander is a unit that can lead a stack.Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNGErf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG It is a term that includes both Casters and Warlords and anyone else that can provide leadership functions.

A stack being led by a Commander can fight in a directed manner, and can also abstain from fighting. An unled stack in contact with non-allied forces will auto-attack.Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNG

Commanders can see the Move, Hits, Attack and Defense stats for a unit. Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNG It is likely that Commanders can also see the Specials a unit has, but not the Name or details of the Special. (Stanley can't remember Jack's name while Parson can see itErf-b1-p108Same-site.PNG, Wanda admits she can't see Delphie's discipline inner-peace-through-superior-firepower-–-episode-011/ External.png)

Commanders are popped via a single mechanism: the Ruler chooses to pop a commander expecting a warlord (as this is nearly always the result) but may rarely receive a caster instead. A side generally receives one caster in its first few warlords, but after that casters become quite rare.

Because of the Arkendish, all Commanders have the ability to mentally contact the Archons in Charlie's Tower, though it can sometimes take hours or days to do so.

[edit] Speculation

The term Commander is used in two separate ways. The actual rank of Commander indicates that a unit has the ability to lead a stack in combat. All such units, including Casters, Warlords, and Chief Warlords, are periodically called Commander by their associates and superiors as a title. The exception would be Rulers, who can lead troops and are therefore Commanders, but whose higher rank and title would prevent anyone ever calling them "Commander."

[edit] Conflicting Terminology

In Klog #4Erf-b1-p040aSame-site.PNG, Parson states, 'any unit with leadership ability is called a "Commander" or "Warlord".' In Klog #10Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG, Parson states that 'Only Warlords have leadership.' This presents two conflicting statements about the same subject. There are multiple resolutions to this problem.

[edit] Resolution #1

Warlords are called "Commander" periodically. Parson is speaking only of Warlords in Klog #4, but due to his inexperience with titles he has confused the term "Commander" used as a title with that of the official rank of "Commander". Resolution: There never was a rank of Commander separate from Warlord.

[edit] Resolution #2

Parson gained new knowledge between Klog #4 and Klog #10 that clarified the situation. This is similar to the "Rations pop at dawn" situation. Commanders do not have leadership because Klog #10 is correcting incorrect information in Klog #4. Commanders can lead stacks, but do not actually have the Leadership natural ability.

[edit] Resolution #3

"Only Warlords have leadership" has been taken out of context. The full quote is, "He told me that Casters are Commanders, and can lead stacks, but they almost never do. Casters are too rare and valuable to risk, and they give no leadership bonus to the stack anyway. Only Warlords have leadership.

Makes sense. Except for certain exceptions. Like, say... the bonus those golems get if they're led by a Dirtamancer. Or the huge one to Uncroaked units being led by a Croakamancer(!)."

In context, the conflicting statement is sandwiched between two statements about Leadership bonuses. It is stated that Commanders, Casters included, can perform leadership functions despite having a leadership of 0. From that knowledge, it follows that Only Warlords confer a leadership bonus to troops that they lead. Rob may have intended "Only Warlords have leadership" to be synonymous with this statement. Commanders have Leadership, but with a bonus of 0.

[edit] Resolution #4

There is no conflict of terminology. When it says '"Commanders" or "Warlord[s]"' have Leadership, it's not naming two unit types with Leadership, but giving two alternate names for the same unit type. That should be the end of it, but to clarify further:

"Commander" is a blanket term for any unit that can lead a stack, including Warlords, who have Leadership, and Casters, who don't.

In Klog #4, when Parson says any unit with Leadership is called a "Commander" or "Warlord," he is correct. Every Warlord has Leadership and can also be called "Commander." However, he does not realize that Casters, who have no Leadership, can also be called "Commander." In Klog #10, he learns that Casters are Commanders too, which amends his previous knowledge. He learns that though both Warlords and Casters are Commanders, only Warlords have Leadership. (And only Casters cast spells. This is the key difference between the two types of Commander, though there may be others).

[edit] Duty

Duty is one of the three effects of Natural Thinkamancy (besides Obedience and Loyalty) that a Ruler exerts on all his subjects. Duty affects Commanders only. Has greater effect on Warlords, and greatest on Chief Warlords. (And therefore the least effect on Casters.) Duty requires Commanders to use their own initiative in the service of the Ruler. Another effect of Duty is that Commanders cannot withhold information and cannot conspire against the Ruler.Erf-b1-p084aSame-site.PNG

[edit] Commander as Position

When Parson is summoned, Wanda refers to him, seemingly from habit, as "Commander." However, Stanley then corrects her, saying, "I haven't made him a Commander yet."Erf-b1-p019Same-site.PNG (Then, after renaming himself Tool, Stanley officially names Parson Chief Warlord).

This leads to the inference, you are popped (or summoned, or promoted) as a Warlord or Caster. That's what you are. Commander is a position that you may fill at the behest of your Ruler. So, theoretically, when a Warlord pops, the Ruler can decline to make him a Commander. This might make it impossible for him to lead Stacks of that Side's troops, in essence making that Warlord a solo act.

The only possible motivation I can see is fear of treason or incompetence from a Warlord with low Duty, Loyalty, or Obedience. It also brings into question the regular references of Barbarian Warlord Jillian Zamussels as "Commander," but that's explainable by a)her commanding the Gwiffons in her stack, and b) being her own Ruler, and therefore able to "name" herself Commander.

[edit] Use as a Title

The word "Commander" is often used as a title to address Warlords and, less frequently, Casters. In this sense, the words "Warlord" and "Commander" seem to be used almost interchangeably, although Commander seems to express more respect, and is perhaps more formal.

[edit] Incidents of Use of Titles

Commander as title:

Warlord as title:

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