Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Page by page discussion of the comic.

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby ftl » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:26 pm

I remember that, but I don't think it was foreshadowing. Parson was thinking there was a good chance that going through the Portal would "croak" him and he'd wake up back at home or in a hospital or something, and making a deliberate Oz reference by Parson. I think it was deliberate on Parson's part and not a meta-joke on Erfworld's part.
ftl
Erfabet Supporter!
Erfabet Supporter!
 
Posts: 1069
Joined: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:15 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Jorgath » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:00 pm

The really strange thing is that knowing all this, Jillian was still willing to work with Charlie on several occasions.
"It matters not how strait the gait,
how charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul."
--William Ernest Henley, Invictus

Avatar by SteveMB
User avatar
Jorgath
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:58 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby drachefly » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:17 pm

Well, why not? Olive was the one she had a problem with, and Olive and Charlie came to be, as just noted, extremely antagonistic.
User avatar
drachefly
 
Posts: 1592
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:36 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Oberon » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:01 am

Mathamancer wrote:So, 11,000 turns - a bit over 30 years (assuming 1 turn=1 day)

Easteros and Westeregg = inversion of Westeros and Easter Egg. Very clever :)

The Arkendish would be the broom of the Wicked Witch of the West...except not.
Also, the "Bell of Easteros" is a reference to the Bell of Westeros in ASoFaI.
davesnothere wrote:efBaum --- I finally got that one. :oops:
Which one? L. Frank Baum, or F-bomb?
youngstormlord wrote:So the things are getting clear. Charlie was summoned the way Parson was [...]
where did you get that from? Judy was summoned to defeat two attuned casters, and it took casters from both efBaum and Haffaton to do it. So how would Charlie have been summoned before that alliance was formed? Where are the required casters?
Things aren't so clear, the way you describe them.
joosy wrote:It sometimes takes several turns before you become attuned to one.
Toper beat me to it, but this seems to me to be just fluff covering for the fact that Dorothy had the (originally not ruby) slippers for the whole movie before finally being taught how to use them.
wrecan wrote:What spin-off did Doothis make? We know that Doothis founded the Side, but it's not really clear on how a Side gets founded. So we don't know that Doothis was "spun off". Doothis may have been some barbarian warlord who conquered a capital and was able to turn it into a Side.

Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066 wrote:An adventurous warlord named Lex Doothis had crossed a great sea and discovered a Level 2 barbarian city on the site. Upon conquering it, he spun off a new side.
How is this hard?
the_tick_rules wrote:Wow, Charlie finally got some history revealed, awesome. Well now we know he isn't the dish itself.
Most of us already knew that. You may park your tin foil cap on the rack there, next to so many others.
How using capslock wins arguments:
Zeroberon wrote:So we know with 100% certainty that THIS IS HOW TRI-LINKS WORK, PERIOD END OF STORY.
Oberon
 
Posts: 1191
Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:59 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby mortissimus » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:55 am

oslecamo2_temp wrote:
mortissimus wrote:
oslecamo2_temp wrote:Notice however that a royal side can still have non-royal warlords, and nothing says those non-royal warlords from a royal faction are exempt from spliting off into their own new sides.


Can, yes. But since they pop only Royal and Noble warlords (or at least all warlords we have seen that was popped by a Royal side were either Royal or Noble), then he has to have been turned. And as we know.
Klog 12 wrote:Turned and captured units have notoriously low Loyalty to their new side, unless you put a spell on them. Capturing is usually reserved for valuable casters.


So the common commoner warlord belongs to a commoner side.



Not necessarily, as basic infantry can promoted to warlord by payment of smuckers. Stanley himself started as a simple grunt for a king, that eventually earned a promotion to warlord, then to chief warlord, heir and finally Overlord.


Ah, true. Then I guess we will have to live with the uncertainty.
mortissimus
 
Posts: 381
Joined: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:04 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Swodaems » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Oberon wrote:
the_tick_rules wrote:Wow, Charlie finally got some history revealed, awesome. Well now we know he isn't the dish itself.
Most of us already knew that. You may park your tin foil cap on the rack there, next to so many others.

It's hard to count the number of theories debunked:
Charlie is the dish itself
Charlie is an extra-spacial entity from/in a different world
Charlie is a former member of the GMTTA
Charlie is a <insert other discipline names here>
Charlie is a titan
And quite a few others I can't pull out of my brain at the moment.

--------

Now that we know some info about Charlie, now is the time to guess how wide spread the information is.

At the bare minimum, the people who know about Charlie's discipline could be limited to the survivors of Faq and Charlie himself. (You have to jump to a few logical hoops to get there: Jack's mind was scrambled, so he may not remember the info in order to give it to Parson. As we saw in Book 1, Wanda doesn't put much effort handing out information. ("You..never" (asked)) The GMTTA don't need that info to consider Charlie an enemy. The carnymancers in the MK could have been paid to act as they are. Perhaps Charlie even hides from his closest archons in his tower.)

At the other end of the scale, the information could now be the worst kept secret in Erfworld. The only people who don't know it are the archons, people that Charlie has the ability to control. Everybody else pretends to respect Charlie's privacy, but they are sniggering at his futile attempts at secrecy behind his back.

--------

I also have to wondor if Bell was a thinkamancer and a member of the GMTTA. The GMTTA seemed to know a bit about the dish's abilities when Issac was ruminating in the playground. They may have had access to it in the past and lost it when Bell died.
Swodaems
 
Posts: 620
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:52 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Shai_hulud » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:07 pm

In case this wasn't answered yet:
Azukar wrote:In the page image, who is the Japanese-looking character with the long dark hair? Is it Betsy the Healomancer?

According to the wiki, yes.
Azukar wrote:From left to right we have Jillian, Orwell, Marie, Jack, ???, Rusty, Olive, ???, Adderall. Presumably the second unknown is Moothfott the Moneymancer?

Actually there is another caster behind Olive, partially obscured. So the list looks like this:
Jillian, Orwell, Marie, Jack, Betsy, Rusty, Olive, ???? (assumed to be Moothfott since he is otherwise not present), ??? (could be "Brother" Labeler), Adderall, and Wanda.
Shai_hulud
Pins Supporter!
Pins Supporter!
 
Posts: 663
Joined: Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:57 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby multilis » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:14 pm

Clearly Charlie *is* the dish itself, a false history was planted in the library, and with the help of his close ally Olive. Oldest trick in the book is for 2 villains to pretend to be arch-enemies so any true enemies of one try to be friends with the other and spill their secret plans. (Wanda only knows this history by consulting her side's library and other rather than first hand, lots of thinkomancy and olive garden brainwashing going on)

Being the dish, Charlie is really a titan because the tools are the titans.

You can't prove it isn't true, and your tin foil hat theories that Wanda is telling the truth here after all the addiction and brainwashing she has gone through is just not credible.
multilis
 
Posts: 531
Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:57 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby cheeseaholic » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:07 pm

multilis wrote:Clearly Charlie *is* the dish itself, a false history was planted in the library, and with the help of his close ally Olive. Oldest trick in the book is for 2 villains to pretend to be arch-enemies so any true enemies of one try to be friends with the other and spill their secret plans. (Wanda only knows this history by consulting her side's library and other rather than first hand, lots of thinkomancy and olive garden brainwashing going on)

Being the dish, Charlie is really a titan because the tools are the titans.

You can't prove it isn't true, and your tin foil hat theories that Wanda is telling the truth here after all the addiction and brainwashing she has gone through is just not credible.


You got one thing wrong. Charlie *used* to be Charlie but the dish took him over.

He also modified Wanda's memories. Not for any reason really just for the lulz.
cheeseaholic
 
Posts: 245
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:31 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Ambug666 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:35 pm

I haven't seen this mentioned this thread, but in the movie, the wicked witch of the west had a crystal ball thing that let her see oz and kansas. Id like to believe that is the arkendish equivalent just like the ruby slippers are the arkenshoes.

This may imply that Charley can see stupidworld via the arkendish.
Ambug666
 
Posts: 59
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 11:05 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Pokota » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:48 pm

That's the stuff of nightmares, right there.

Well, at least now we know for certain one thing: Charlie is, in some way shape or form, a unit.
zyxophoj wrote:Also, it depends rather heavily on Wanda ... not being Wanda.
User avatar
Pokota
 
Posts: 34
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:55 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Ambug666 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:43 am

Also this does not disprove that Charlie is from another world. He may have already arrived and been established in erfworld at the start of Wandas narrative.

Who knows how many times the warlord spell was cast, John Carter, Adam Strange, Tam Lin, Wendy Darling, &c....
Ambug666
 
Posts: 59
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 11:05 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby wrecan » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:27 am

Max™ wrote:Hah, interesting bit of foreshadowing: http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F136.jpg just before he enters the portal he says "There's no place like home."

Noticed it but didn't quite see the significance at the time, of course.

If you're looking for the earliest Oz reference look no farther than Parson's Klog #1:

"I am having a wish-fulfillment dream, like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz."
To which Hamstard replies, "If you dreamed you're Judy Garland, you've got bigger issues."

Which is then brought back with this interesting line in Parson's Klog #13:

"This is feeling less and less like a dream. But if it is, there's this one thought I keep coming back to. How did Dorothy get out of Oz?
Short answer? By killing. "

TO which Hamstard replies: "YOU SHOULD THROW A BUCKET OF WATER ON ANSOM. NOT TO MELT HIM. JUST FOR LULZ. "
wrecan
 
Posts: 230
Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 6:41 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby MonteCristo » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Ambug666 wrote:Also this does not disprove that Charlie is from another world. He may have already arrived and been established in erfworld at the start of Wandas narrative.


Well there is still the part about him being a carnymancer. Judy and Parson are warlords; though Parson is able to go into the magic kingdom, there is so far nothing that shows us that he is indeed a caster of somekind (and no I do not count what Janis said as that sounded more like a lie to get the other casters to back off)

wrecan wrote:
Max™ wrote:Hah, interesting bit of foreshadowing: http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F136.jpg just before he enters the portal he says "There's no place like home."

Noticed it but didn't quite see the significance at the time, of course.

If you're looking for the earliest Oz reference look no farther than Parson's Klog #1:


Earlier than that
User avatar
MonteCristo
YOTD Supporter!
YOTD Supporter!
 
Posts: 371
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:48 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Aquillion » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:48 pm

Oberon wrote:
the_tick_rules wrote:Wow, Charlie finally got some history revealed, awesome. Well now we know he isn't the dish itself.
Most of us already knew that. You may park your tin foil cap on the rack there, next to so many others.
While I didn't (and still don't) believe this, it's possible that Charlie waspossessed by the Dish, either right after acquiring it or some time later while trying to unlock its secrets. That would explain his secretive nature, at least, and having it be sentient (and capable of that) would fit into its powers as a Thinkamancy artifact.

Unrelated: I wonder if the Arkenshoes have a unit type they can summon? Despite their power, I think that someone who used the Arkendish cleverly would have won a war against anyone who has the shoes without some other ability we have yet to learn about -- after all, no matter how fast you can move, an army of Archons is an army of Archons.

One last conspiracy theory: What if Charlie has infiltrated the Thinkamancers? Nobody knows what he looks like. What if one of them is actually him? That would explain a great deal of what happened with the portal -- they delayed him exactly as long as Charlie needed, and when they let him go through, they didn't allow any casters to go with him (which fit Charlie's plans and didn't seem to help theirs at all.) If Charlie is influencing their decision-making somehow, that could explain it.
Aquillion
 
Posts: 213
Joined: Thu May 07, 2009 4:45 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Vreejack » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:41 pm

Aquillion wrote:
Oberon wrote:
the_tick_rules wrote:Wow, Charlie finally got some history revealed, awesome. Well now we know he isn't the dish itself.
Most of us already knew that. You may park your tin foil cap on the rack there, next to so many others.
While I didn't (and still don't) believe this, it's possible that Charlie waspossessed by the Dish, either right after acquiring it or some time later while trying to unlock its secrets. That would explain his secretive nature, at least, and having it be sentient (and capable of that) would fit into its powers as a Thinkamancy artifact.

Unrelated: I wonder if the Arkenshoes have a unit type they can summon? Despite their power, I think that someone who used the Arkendish cleverly would have won a war against anyone who has the shoes without some other ability we have yet to learn about -- after all, no matter how fast you can move, an army of Archons is an army of Archons.

One last conspiracy theory: What if Charlie has infiltrated the Thinkamancers? Nobody knows what he looks like. What if one of them is actually him? That would explain a great deal of what happened with the portal -- they delayed him exactly as long as Charlie needed, and when they let him go through, they didn't allow any casters to go with him (which fit Charlie's plans and didn't seem to help theirs at all.) If Charlie is influencing their decision-making somehow, that could explain it.


Mostly lame, and yet... it was Maggie who convinced the GMTTA to let Parson in. That part seemed entirely unforced and unstaged. Still, Parson couldn't get in safely without Charlie changing his mind and calling the carneymancers back. Was Charlie just using the carnies to put on a show--without their knowledge? Did Charlie already have a backup plan in place? If Charlie already has that much control over the GMTTA then that whole episode was a pointless farce. Except... their order to keep the casters inside the MK has always felt odd. Was it supposed to be a compromise? They will let Parson through but not his casters? At the time I thought that was fairly crippling, and extremely unfair considering they had just crossed into the MK to see what was going on. Was that the compromise, go if you must but do so with one hand tied behind?

Jack seems to have disappeared from the MK even before the deal was reached. What did he think he knew? I doubt he could see through a portal well enough to fake his presence there, so he must have actuall been inside the MK and used his last juice to vanish and head back on his own. Perhaps he simply saw that a fight was about to break out and he lacked the juice to be of any use. Still, it seems we have unanswered questions.
So...Watashi wa mizugorō ga sukina koto o kiita, neh?
A Prediction is what would have happened had there been no Prediction. What is scary is that they are also what will happen in spite of the Prediction.
User avatar
Vreejack
 
Posts: 169
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 9:04 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby bladestorm » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:12 pm

Vreejack wrote:Unrelated: I wonder if the Arkenshoes have a unit type they can summon? Despite their power, I think that someone who used the Arkendish cleverly would have won a war against anyone who has the shoes without some other ability we have yet to learn about -- after all, no matter how fast you can move, an army of Archons is an army of Archons.

One last conspiracy theory: What if Charlie has infiltrated the Thinkamancers? Nobody knows what he looks like. What if one of them is actually him? That would explain a great deal of what happened with the portal -- they delayed him exactly as long as Charlie needed, and when they let him go through, they didn't allow any casters to go with him (which fit Charlie's plans and didn't seem to help theirs at all.) If Charlie is influencing their decision-making somehow, that could explain it.

Mostly lame, and yet... it was Maggie who convinced the GMTTA to let Parson in. That part seemed entirely unforced and unstaged. Still, Parson couldn't get in safely without Charlie changing his mind and calling the carneymancers back. Was Charlie just using the carnies to put on a show--without their knowledge? Did Charlie already have a backup plan in place? If Charlie already has that much control over the GMTTA then that whole episode was a pointless farce. Except... their order to keep the casters inside the MK has always felt odd. Was it supposed to be a compromise? They will let Parson through but not his casters? At the time I thought that was fairly crippling, and extremely unfair considering they had just crossed into the MK to see what was going on. Was that the compromise, go if you must but do so with one hand tied behind?

Jack seems to have disappeared from the MK even before the deal was reached. What did he think he knew? I doubt he could see through a portal well enough to fake his presence there, so he must have actuall been inside the MK and used his last juice to vanish and head back on his own. Perhaps he simply saw that a fight was about to break out and he lacked the juice to be of any use. Still, it seems we have unanswered questions.

Blocking the actual casters could be a quibble point about the magick kingdom. No casters have ever launched an attack from the magick kingdom. Parson was a rogue anomaly. They can play the victim card, maintain neutrality, and not lose any standing with the rest of erfworld.

And maybe the Dish didn't always summon Archons. Maybe before Charlie got ahold of it, it summoned flying monkeys.
bladestorm
 
Posts: 665
Joined: Wed May 20, 2009 10:11 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Glome » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:14 pm

Aquillion wrote:Unrelated: I wonder if the Arkenshoes have a unit type they can summon? Despite their power, I think that someone who used the Arkendish cleverly would have won a war against anyone who has the shoes without some other ability we have yet to learn about -- after all, no matter how fast you can move, an army of Archons is an army of Archons.


The archons still aren't cheap though, if you had the amount of money needed to keep an army of archons you could probably afford an army of something that can counter archons even without an arkentool. Plus I don't think the arkentools have to have comparable powers or be balanced against each other, although the possibility exists for quite a few undiscovered powers for the tools.
Glome
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 6:13 am

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby MonteCristo » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:28 pm

Aquillion wrote:Unrelated: I wonder if the Arkenshoes have a unit type they can summon? Despite their power, I think that someone who used the Arkendish cleverly would have won a war against anyone who has the shoes without some other ability we have yet to learn about -- after all, no matter how fast you can move, an army of Archons is an army of Archons.


Well keep in mind that right now it is still unverfied whether or not the archons are in fact related to the arkendish. The archon's themselves were unable to answer the question for parson when he asked; so its left ambiguous at best.

One last conspiracy theory: What if Charlie has infiltrated the Thinkamancers? Nobody knows what he looks like. What if one of them is actually him? That would explain a great deal of what happened with the portal -- they delayed him exactly as long as Charlie needed, and when they let him go through, they didn't allow any casters to go with him (which fit Charlie's plans and didn't seem to help theirs at all.) If Charlie is influencing their decision-making somehow, that could explain it.


I doubt Charlie would take the risk. First, Charlie is a man of fierce on security and secrets which makes it unlikely that he would actually do things himself... if anything he would send in an agent to infiltrate the group on his behalf, kinda like how he's using Jeffie. Second it's uncertain if no one would recognize him; Charlie may be old but there is no telling how old some of the denizens of the the magic kingdom may be.
User avatar
MonteCristo
YOTD Supporter!
YOTD Supporter!
 
Posts: 371
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:48 pm

Re: Inner Peace (Through Superior Firepower) – Episode 066

Postby Vreejack » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:58 am

MonteCristo wrote:Well keep in mind that right now it is still unverfied whether or not the archons are in fact related to the arkendish. The archon's themselves were unable to answer the question for parson when he asked; so its left ambiguous at best.
That would be a very important point if it happens to be true. Can you cite a reference? How can the archons not know this? That would be like Ansom not knowing he was decrypted using the arkenpliers.

One last conspiracy theory: What if Charlie has infiltrated the Thinkamancers? Nobody knows what he looks like. What if one of them is actually him? That would explain a great deal of what happened with the portal -- they delayed him exactly as long as Charlie needed, and when they let him go through, they didn't allow any casters to go with him (which fit Charlie's plans and didn't seem to help theirs at all.) If Charlie is influencing their decision-making somehow, that could explain it.


I doubt Charlie would take the risk. First, Charlie is a man of fierce on security and secrets which makes it unlikely that he would actually do things himself... if anything he would send in an agent to infiltrate the group on his behalf, kinda like how he's using Jeffie. Second it's uncertain if no one would recognize him; Charlie may be old but there is no telling how old some of the denizens of the the magic kingdom may be.[/quote]

I do not think a literal infiltration was being suggested, just that Charlie had some hidden intelligence and influence among the GMTTA. It is not unreasonable considering that they have declared themselves to be his enemy, and the amount of influence needed here is small.
So...Watashi wa mizugorō ga sukina koto o kiita, neh?
A Prediction is what would have happened had there been no Prediction. What is scary is that they are also what will happen in spite of the Prediction.
User avatar
Vreejack
 
Posts: 169
Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 9:04 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Reactions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests