youngstormlord wrote:So the things are getting clear. Charlie was summoned the way Parson was ....
book 0 episode 66 wrote:“Their spell was a success. In fact, Bell of Easteros was croaked on the spot as an immediate effect of the summoning process. The warlord they called to their aid was Judy Gale.”
Cevri wrote:Also, people from outside Erfworld can pop kids. Interestin'.
youngstormlord wrote:So the things are getting clear. Charlie was summoned the way Parson was..., but he was unable to actually win against two attuned casters.
Morni wrote:youngstormlord wrote:So the things are getting clear. Charlie was summoned the way Parson was ....
No, Judy was summoned. But we can now say that Charlie's knows where Parson is from.book 0 episode 66 wrote:“Their spell was a success. In fact, Bell of Easteros was croaked on the spot as an immediate effect of the summoning process. The warlord they called to their aid was Judy Gale.”
wrecan wrote:Another thing to consider -- Judy Gale may not have come from StupidWorld. There could be other worlds beyond Erf and StupidWorld. Remember: Parson knows of the Wizard of Oz. It seems odd that someone from StupidWorld named Judy Gale would come to a place named EfBaum and the Emerald City and then pretty much reenact Wizard of Oz without knowing about it. So, I'm thinking Judy Gale came from a different dimension than Parson comes from, one in which Wizard of Oz does not exist.
Perhaps Judy came from a world in which Wizard of Oz doesn't exist but instead they have the amazing tale of a kid named "Gotti" who is sucked into a game and ends war... So Judy would walk around Erf marveling at how all the names of characters match things from that story... like Wanda Firebaugh, and Charlie.
Also note: not only did Wanda never tell Parson about Charlie's origins, neither did Jack Snipe. I understand Wanda being kind of tight-lipped. She's not much of a talker and likes to keep things close tot he vest. But Jack really liked Parson and wanted him to succeed. At least tell him Charlie is a Carnymancer.
wrecan wrote:Yeah, I am beginning to think Charlie is not a Stupid Worlder.
joosy wrote:And Jack and Wanda did not tell the story about Charlie because the author presumably did not know it at the time and, even if he did, it would have prevented this story from being told effecively.
This is an odd post Vintermann. First you make fun of someone's idea. Then you present evidence for that theory and make a point of saying how that evidence is wrong here just cuz. This update has resolved the question of where Judy is from, but it never mentions where Charlie is from. You cite as evidence that Charlie couldn't have summoned himself, though I note that that is exactly what happens in the Oz universe, and that it would explain how Charlie knew about looking in other dimensions for warlords to begin with. I think either extreme view is equally untenable at this point!vintermann wrote:wrecan wrote:Yeah, I am beginning to think Charlie is not a Stupid Worlder.
You don't say!
When reading this update I thought: "wow, all these big things, revealed in an indisputable way!" Then I come in here and see youngstormlord and Cevri's posts. Come on!
What I learned here, and I hope it's obvious to you too. The story of Charlie is very close to the Wizard of Oz. Blair is the Wicked Witch of the West, Bell is of the East (they're named after Blair Witch and Bell Witch). Olive is, as earlier speculated, Glinda the Good Witch of the South, who in line with modern reimaginations of the story isn't good at all. Charlie is the wizard. Unlike the wizard of Oz, who was a charlatan from the real world, Charlie is an Erfworld native - that he could pop a daughter is evidence of that - but him being a carnymancer is a nod to that part of the story. (He is not noble, though. Overlords have daughters too - see Goodminton).
There had been speculation he was from Stupidworld, but there was also the alternate hypothesis that he just picked up his Stupidworld habits and knowledge from his long-term friend Judy, and that now seems confirmed beyond reasonable doubt. Judy was the warlord summoned (not the summoner!).