vintermann wrote:arkerpay, have you ever played a role-playing game?
In 1977 I remember this box with dice and a blue book inside and later I remember three hard bound books with a profusion of tables, including one to roll a random prostitute encounter. Naaaaaa, guess you got me there, I have no idea about this stuff.
vintermann wrote:Fate, die rolls and free will can coexist perfectly well seen from the inside of a role-playing game.
No, they can't. Nor can they coexist in a turn based strategy game. The comics and stories are both and neither. I hesitate even trying to argue the point now. I brought this point up long ago, before Goodminton fell. The few responses I received on this subject are argumentative and off-thread, with no reflection on the point I am making. The 'arguments' use the implementation
of fate and free will by Rob in this story or some other game playing system as 'proof' that you can have both fate and free will. Or confuse the issue by adding extraneous information or conditions or finding another stratagem to just 'make it so'.
It's a story
. A great story and Rob can make it turn out anyway he wants. So if he want to have fate and free will in the story
he can. I am sure there is nothing random going on though. I am REALLY sure he is not rolling dice and just letting things unfold. Especially in a prequel.
Effatagious and Kreistor's responses are getting close to understanding the meat of the argument. There are difficulties in implementing fate and free will in an RPG. Free will is in fact your ONLY option. I will try once more to explain with a concise, simple scenario.
If you assume that Erfworld is a combination of an RPG and turn based game, there are entities that can make decisions. Sovereign rulers, warlords, casters and even lackeys like Bogroll have the capacity to make decisions and act on them. Do they have free will? Maybe. Rules of Erfworld act as physical laws. You can't move at night in ErfWorld or cross a hex boundary when you are out of move. Don't equate THAT with proof free will doesn't exist, because physical laws in our universe limit what we can do. As much I will it, I can't turn invisible or fly. Sigh.
So now a Predictamancer creates a prophecy that Connie the Barbarian will croak King Snidely. The prophecy is communicated to both of them. Connie is short for contrary and she doesn't like being told what to do. So she decides NOT to croak King Snidely. Then it occurs to her that she might identically croak him somehow later, thus fulfilling the prophecy. So she takes her dagger and cuts her own throat with it. Can she make that decision?
If the answer is yes, there is free will and there can't be fate.
If the answer is no, she does not have free will.