cheeseaholic wrote:More likely he'll think the king outplayed him when he disappears in a puff of magic.
Indeed. I admit if I was in that position, with the kind of knowledge of what is going on that Parson has my first thought would be "damn, some sort of foolamancy or a copy (dittomancy or dollmancy) to distract me while the real Slately snuck away after switching the capitals!" not "hmmmm, so you can make a perfect copy of a ruler who can switch capitals and do all the things only a ruler can? Interesting".
atalex wrote:I am wondering if Parson is acting (as usual) under flawed information. He clearly believes that killing the King means winning the battle, but that is no longer the case. Killing Slately means Trem becomes king, the side lives on, and, I assume, the remaining JS forces are NOT paralyzed, which is normal upon the death of the ruler. Thus, Parson MUST kill every JS force in the city, including Ace and his bear.
Correct, Parson thinks it is the original Slately and that the heir died/was decrypted with Oss (or with Ansom). Which means killing just the king Slately he is fighting isn't sufficient to insta-capture the city since it no longer means the side will end. I guess it is possible to capture the other units there, but if not then they need to be killed as well (much like an incapacitated Cubbins was enough to stop GK capturing the garrison).
But it is hard to see that happening before the whole inferno thing occurs, it has been burning for a while now and Parson really doesn't have many guys for fire fighting even if he wins this fight quickly.
Bloodsausage wrote:Technically speaking, isn't the Achievement just wrong? Parson kicked a double, not the actual king. Although I suppose for all other intents and purposes the double has been functioning as the king...
I don't think so. The duplication effect appears to have created a perfect copy of Slately, which by the laws of Erfworld means it is King Slately temporarily. If it looks like a king, sounds like a king and can do everything a king can do even if it knows it is the duplicate it is a king.
eras10 wrote:- what exactly happened to the sizable pile of infantry that used to be in the dungeon? When Wanda took it, there were tens, if not hundreds down there. Did Sylvia call them back up? They'd be handy right now.
I think most of them were sent back to the atrium in anticipation of a Jetstone attack or were taken with Archer when he was searching for survivors - we see what would have to be most of the decrypted infantry Wanda created fighting Slately's attack force prior to the explosion.
- I loved this update. Both the art and the dialogue were top-notch.
- Did you see how heavies stomped the infantry with Tramennis? There's no way holding up Ace fully occupies that battle bear. That would be silly.
- Whoever pointed it out was right, the Staff of Suckage was broken in book 1 when Wanda fell. Where the heck did Parson get a new one?
The casters made a new one - while Wanda was out conquering Unaroyal and marching on Spacerock Maggie, Jack and Sizemore had a lot of time to be creating magic items if they could. Or they went to the MK and bought a new one - GK isn't short of money. Or recovered it from one of the cities they conquered. It isn't a super special item (in the sense that in most settings an item that has a utilitarian single use like that isn't).
-this is really off topic, and I love this comic, and setting up an internally consistent and complex game system while writing a comic novel is a near-impossible task, so I love Rob's work, but I have been waiting to complain about this for a long time - there's no way this whole book 2 plan makes sense from a numbers point of view. When Wanda raided the garrison, how many dwagons did they have? 50? 100? can't be too much more - 26 griffons and 6 megalogs was a 'signficant force' that was going to hurt them bad. So take 20% of that and make them yellows (it's not like yellows were important to the plan). Maybe 30%, be generous! How many infantry could Gobwin Knob kill with crap? (they started evacing right away)... Jetstone had its entire capital fight force - literally thousands of units - against 50-70 dragons and... a few hundred infantry? Yes, dragons are tough, but... there's no way you kill hundreds or thousands of infantry with 10-15 dragons bombing for a few rounds. Gobwin knob should have been massively, Book-1 style outnumbered.
Yeah, they didn't kill thousands of infantry by bombing the atrium. Combining friendly fire from the archery, yellows bombing and some of the GK fighters killing some I'm guessing a couple of hundred at most
And they were outnumbered, very much so. Trem said as much. Trem's original plan was to get Slately and the casters out of the city to safety and then decide whether it was worth the cost to counterattack the atrium (Trem wasn't willing to risk giving Wanda another huge army). Caesar said they could do it but it required flooding the atrium with everything they had. The danger was Wanda - she and the pliers give the decrypted bonuses, and she'd be able to be raising things as fast as they fell. The dwagons might be overwhelmed eventually but before they were they would have been able to take out a lot of guys - those combo breath attacks are deadly - meaning Jetstone would be loosing troops steadily which would be being decrypted and returning to the fight.
Note how despite Ansom and the RCC outnumbering GK and having a lot more troops in the courtyard Wanda and a bunch of uncraoked were able to stall them thanks to the way bonuses worked and Wanda leading a dance fight - until Ansom started leading a dance himself.
I'm not even going to get started on the 800 archers running out of arrows before managing to kill Wanda on a near-empty field, even with four casters in the immediate vicinity - why would you blanket an entire area with arrows from 1000 feet up instead of sending down a party to nab her.. you know, waiting until she decrypts everything before you start shooting?
I don't think there were 800 archers on the tower, and they didn't, more than a few still had arrows (hence why the archers Cubbins let go were able to still be shooting).
Plus Jetstone doesn't have a thinkamancer, so there is a reduction in the time they can get their orders to who needs them. Trem was able to give orders immediately to the archers behind him, it would take longer to send word to the forces below to send a party in to nab her, about the same time to lead a party down himself. It didn't take long for Wanda or the other warlords/knights/heavies to get back on their feet, and decrypting doesn't take long.
The only reason she wasn't decrypting straight away was because Parson sent the order to keep her head down till the shooting had stopped and everything in there was as dead as it was going to get. Rush the entire army in and it might be better, but Trem isn't a rush in without planning kind of warlord. Trem instead chose to go with volleys, which proved unsuccessful - the position the archers had to fire from means it wouldn't have been hard to get to a safe position in the atrium, so it isn't surprising Wanda and co survived (in fact in one of the last sections you see even a few Jetstone troops managed to avoid it and were still alive in the atrium after the shooting stopped - the dwagons are chasing them).
And so my time with the Tardy Elves draws to a close, and I am let to ponder how the experience will... eh, I'll finish later. No need to rush.