A thought: Why is having Olive as Chief Caster stupid if Wanda's part of Haffaton? I mean, Olive's Level 12 and actually popped in Haffaton.
MonteCristo wrote:However not suspecting that olive could do something to her in the tree, when there was no engagements allowed, was not unbelievable. When it comes down to it, Jillian is a warlord, not a caster and she's not familiar with the capabilities of hippimancies and florists; that's not stupidity, that's ignorance. Even her father's council were not totally sure about the capabilities of hippimancy. So why should Jillian suspect that a florist could transform a tree into a unit? Hell did any of US guess that during the previous update? Jillian had no idea how the Tree units managed to sneak up on to goodminton, but i did not see anyone here guessing that Olive could transform the surrounding trees into units; and we have META-knowledge on our side.
While I'm not inclined to blame someone for being caught in an unknown spell, thing is, Foolamancy could have achieved much the same effect. For all we know, it did (the animation thing is just a guess on Gilly's part). So that's a known danger Gillian could have avoided just by taking to the skies.
Given that Wanda's livery is almost identical to Haffaton's, taken with that flower, I find it very hard to believe that Wanda will turn on Haffaton out of personal desire. Although if a Predictamancer told her she had to do it...
youngstormlord wrote:Or, and here's a novel thinking, Haffaton could just hire a few of Charlie's Archons with foolamancy, shockamancy and whole shtick (say 4 for example), who attack Goodmington. While the casters expend tower defenses hitting very few things (because fighting four foolamancy archons is much different than fighting one), a single florist/hippiemancer starts hugging trees unnoticed in the gate hex. Once she has enough to stack with, say 12 for example, she leads an attack on the gate and kills everything inside with very powerful siege units she just made. And the thing is, the expense of hiring archons is all worth it in the end because of savings you get when having uncroaked units.
And another thing is, we know there are archons in Haffaton's airspace even now. So, how does Olive know where Jillian is exactly? Two possibilities: 1) she is talking with plants and 2) she is talking with archons.
A complete waste of money, Goodminton was as good as destroyed. Also, Charlie was never spoken of in the Goodminton era, his Side may not have existed at that point.
Archons don't have Lookamancy, so in practice they'd be no more use then, well the battles Gill has had this very day. And this isn't anything new, she fought Haffaton Units on her approach to the Minty Mountains (Cold), so even Olive being in range doesn't strike me as particularly unlikely. Gillian's luck was bound to run out eventually.
Zeku wrote:Olive is level 12 because she has directly been involved in the capture many of the cities that compose Haffaton.
But if that's the case, why is it Wanda
who has a widespread reputation for doing just that?
Lamech wrote:Level isn't everything. Wanda is two levels below Ansom, but she is on par in physical combat. Even more so for casters for casters with their classes. Issac has two master classes, an adept. We don't know what classes all do, (well grant new abilities at least), but if they add juice or spell power Issac might very well trump Branch in juice, versatility, and spell power.
Since you mention it, how do we know Wanda's Level is 8? The bonus she applies to Decrytped in her stack was 8, but, well that could be an artifact bonus from the 'pliers. Even if that's the same bonus she'd add to Uncroaked, why are we assuming the bonus she grants to the walking dead increases every
time she Levels?
oslecamo2_temp wrote:The time Wanda fighted Ansom she also happened to be ganking him six on one, plus Ansom was wielding the arkentool destined for her.
When Wanda fought Ossomer she herself was wielding her attuned arkentool while receiving Ansom's chief warlord bonus at full power. You know, the kind of thing that makes puny doombats fight like heavies.
If you're taking that line, there's almost no one on Erf who's ever done anything impressive in battle, there are always bonuses, items, mounts, followers, surprise, you name it.
Also the point on the Ossomer thing is that she accomplished what Ansom could not, that is to say, she overpowered Ossomer in a contest of strength. And bear in mind that Ossomer's own bonus is only slightly weaker than Ansom's.
Reclaimer wrote:Dame Branch is one of the most sadistic, twisted characters in the series, hands down. She's a good example of how Hippiemancers can kick ass but doesn't conform to their archetype in any way beyond the superficial, like any true 'Sploiter. I think part of her role is to kind of hint that Janis, as a Grand Abbie of Hippiemancy, is not just some husky stoner but actually an extremely powerful ally for Parson, capable of unleashing a whole world of hurt even if it's only as a last resort.
All she's done on screen is croak an enemy Warlord and capture a wannabe super-villain who was plotting to destroy her Side. Plus it's Gillian, it's not evil when they're doing it to Gillian, as half the time it's self defence and the other half she's into it.
BCCroaker wrote:They only way for Olive to be alive in Main Comic Time is for Wanda to have her stashed in a secret cave with her innards beeing torn out daily by rats. There is no chance a Lady Firebaugh with any independence of action will be relaxed about Tommy's killer and principal agent of her side and fathers demise. Not to mention the suffering Wanda's Signamancy shows she is perpetually undergoing as a turned servant of Haffaton.
Or maybe it's all the killing that's bothering her, hmm? Thing is, Gobwin Knob era Wanda is fighting under Haffaton's banner. So, she can't
upset with Olive. Furthermore, during the graveyard sequence, she spake of her brother claiming to have croaked him. Which means either Haffaton had been keeping an older brother on ice for just such an occurance, or Wanda blames herself for Tommy's death.
Another thing to consider, is that Book Zero's first update included a little thing on how Mathamancers claimed you could bring someone back if you paid the exact price. Just a thought...
joosy wrote:I believe that its not just the city hexes that are 'trapped'.
In the song Olive makes reference to "Sitting in an Olive tree," Olive is capitalized and the tree is actually a 'fir tree'. Unless Olive is making a general reference that all of the trees in Haffaton territory are hers, then I would guess that this tree was already prepared for such a purpose.
I wonder if Hippiemancy is able to take natural allies like Gumps or Tannenbaums and turn them into dormant trees ready to be activated. I would guess they also act as 'spies' for Haffaton as well - reporting movement of enemy troops through the hex without being counted as actual units until activated.
Or, of course, Tannenbaums could just be Hippiemancy golems that may be able to enter a dormant state when not in use.
In either case I would assume that the 'dormant' state reduces upkeep (if any).
It would also explain the sneak attack on Goodminton. Olive could have used Flower Power to create Tannenbaums in the surrounding Forest so they wouldn't have been detected until it was too late. If they also provided some remote scouting reports to Olive that would also explain how she was able to get there so fast.
I wouldn't be surprised at all
if all those trees she was hugging are dormant Haffaton Units. It would be very Entlike.
joosy wrote:I doubt that Haffaton has a Predictamancer unless she is one that keeps her mouth shut when it comes to Wanda's ultimate role regarding Haffaton. I would guess that Olive is there because Fate is trying to get Wanda and Jillian back together one way or another.
Wanda may not have anything to do with Haffaton's non-presence in the Future Era though. Also... maybe Haffaton's Cities are empty 'cause they have a plan to re-establish themselves at a later date, putting their affairs in order as it were.