(name here) wrote:
Menas wrote:The point I was making was that no-one yet in the storyline has seen through a veil PRIOR to it being used for the purpose it was designed for.
- Parson used a veil on the twoll to trick Ansom. Worked. Didn't go away until the twoll attacked.
- Jack used a veil to make dwagons and archons look like siege and infantry. Worked. Didn't go away until Ansom told him to drop the veil.
- Jack used displacement to make units appear to be somewhere they weren't. Worked. Jetstone didn't know the units weren't real until they discovered they weren't taking any damage. And until Jack got hurt and they went away, but it was a moot point by then as they already knew the displaced units were fake.
In each of these cases, the veil didn't go away until the person using it attacked (which means it served its purpose), or intentionally dropped it. In none of these cases did anyone recognize that a veil was present prior to the attacker having the drop on them.
So again, there's no reason to believe Charlie's units couldn't be there and veiled without being discovered.
- Jack used a veil to hide Stanley and a Dwagon, as well as himself. Was seen through, only barely managed to escape even with a massive distraction giving them a huge lead.
Also, the archons saw right through Bogroll's veil, they just didn't tell anyone because of an overriding strategic imperative.
Good points (and I admit I'd forgotten about those). These two cases are still different from what's going on now though.
- In the first case they were already looking for Stanley, knew he was trying to get away, knew exactly where he'd been when they lost track of him, and knew he had a foolamancer with him.
That's different than the current scenario, because they don't have any intelligence on what Jillian and Charlie are doing and therefore have no reason to be looking for Charlie's units. They don't expect him to be there, so there's no reason to be specificially looking for him or his units. And even if they did know he was there, they wouldn't know where to begin to look, although they'd probably be able to guess at the unit type. Also, since Jillian is his partner and she's a member of the alliance, I'm expecting there's a number of ways they can use that relationship to avoid any general detection schemes for veiled units that Jetstone may be employing.
And technically, the veil still 'worked' because it allowed Stanley to escape.
- As for the second case, there are still two differences. The first is that Jetstone doesn't have any Archons =) (although I'm guessing they have some units that can see through or detect veils). But secondly, in the case of Bogroll, Bogroll was a visible unit to begin with, i.e., the veil didn't completely hide him, it just altered his appearance. It may not be as easy to detect a veil on a unit that is completely hidden to begin with (invisible).
And technically, the veil still 'worked' because Bogroll was able to take out Ansom, even though the Archons had seen through the veil.