Infidel wrote:I'm not getting what you're trying to say here. I said eccentric and you're going off on conformist.
To clarify: In my first post on this topic, I mentioned that some Discovery Channel documentary claimed that while little brothers grow up artsy and creative, elder brothers grow up conformist
. Which is not eccentric. When you replied, you seized on "artsy, creative" and argued those are not the key to eccentricity, I thought you ignored the other claim, that referred specifically to elder brothers.
Infidel wrote:An eccentric person isn't trying to not conform he's just following is mood. Unlike how a bunch of kids will get together and agree to be non-conformists, by instead conforming to a different standard. Eccentricity in people is about oddness and whimsy not a long-term resistance to conformity. A shop keeper that closes up on a nice day to go fishing is eccentric. He's not trying to not conform, he's just more interested in enjoying the day than running the store. Painting one's interior walls fuscia is eccentric. Smart, creative, non-boring, these have nothing to do with Eccentricity. Being an artist is not itself eccentric, nothing whimsical about that, it's not even close, because being an artist is a passion not a whim. An artist that refuses to paint anything but trees would be eccentric though. Life altering decisions aren't taken lightly simply because someone is eccentric, but they might inconvenience others in many other ways that are considered less important. Such as an eccentric store owner that refuses to take credit cards for payment.
The rest of this is actually a pretty good description of eccentricity.
This is as good a time as any to remind people that while I did mention a Discovery Channel show that made a certain set of claims, I called that show a logic fail.
Joe22c. wrote:I'm actually a 3rd year psyc major and I've given up trying to nit-pick, very simply because there's too much. So, whatever. Whenever people want to offer their "psychoanalysis" (while unaware that psychoanalysis had been debunked almost a century ago) I just skip past.
For those still arguing about the little-brother-tends-to-be-more-creative there isn't solid evidence in favour of that just yet. Also, that kind of study would probably be more sociological than psychological because you're looking to compare one demographic to another.
Also, intuition and drawing on fairy tales in history does not make fact/science and hence shouldn't be used as "proof" - intuition is used for explaining proof or making hypotheses.
More clarification: in the very first post you quoted, I called the "little brother tends to be creative" claim as a logic fail. It really wasn't proved.
Neither is the suggestion that the elder brother is eccentric, or at least no proof is here shown.
The fairy-tales bit is just a folk intuition, as you rightfully notice. I mentioned it, because given that folklore says the littlest of brothers is the distinguished one, Infidel
's claim stands out as different, eccentric, and it becomes even more interesting to see what lead to it.
As for which science would have jurisdiction over this issue, I dunno. Developmental psychology? Sociology? None, the issue isn't well formulated/relevant?
The whole point of this is lost if you keep it a secret.