shamelessmerc wrote: Tonot wrote:
shamelessmerc wrote: There are non-Royal sides after all, but unlike in this world where Autocracy relies on systematic coercion and no more,
Woh woh woh, citation please.
But, yeah, basically monarchies rely on "because god said so!" and dictatorships rely on "because this gun says so!", whereas the western democracies justification is "this is as fair a system as we can make, so you should support it both on moral grounds and out of self interest". (Hmmm, also the Communist Party now that I think about it.)
Ah, you go from Autocracy ( which you capitalised, and this is possible, if you have a list of proper-nouns at hand and are working through them ) to Monarchy which you DID NOT capitalise, which is WRONG. However, you seem to equate the two things, and given they both have subtleties and graduations in themselves
that make it important that one specify things like "Absolute Monarchy" or "Democratic Monarchy" or "Federated Autocracy" or "Religious Autocracy" and on and on and on and on, I have to point out to you that, not only can you not equate Autocracy with Monarchy, you can't even say something like "Basically Monarchies rely on X" because they are too varied.
My initial request for citation, was in hope that you would look at what you wrote, and realise it was hopelessly too broad, and just wrong.
"Autocracy relies on systematic coercion and no more". It is wrong in more than the "And no more" part, but it is the "And no more" part that made me sqwark.
The kind of "More" that various Autocracies rely on is vast in scope. One of the best "Mores" any of them rely on is the undeniable fact that one kind of Autocracy/Monarchy provides the most equitable and happy society (for all the Commonwealth Nations,) of any of the human societies ever known.
That isn't to ignore that the Commonwealth Nations have a basic underpinning of force, or the promise of force, but then so does every society made up of humans. Any society of humans that tries to do without force as its ultimate arbiter, falls over in a matter of weeks.
shamelessmerc wrote: Any political restructuring Parson might wish to accomplish would have to demonstrate that the gains provided by doing things differently would offset the losses from abandoning "the old ways".
Yes, exactly, and Parson can't possibly either demonstrate that. He works a menial position at Kinkos, not at a political science think tank, or the IMF or something.
Just because someone doesn't have a high powered job doesn't automatically make them stupid. There are more PHD's working as Janitors than anything else after all.
That might be so, though I doubt it really. But it wasn't my point. Not one person in a million has the depth of understanding you would need to set up and entire working society. You feel otherwise, but I have a trump card.
I have worked a large part of the last forty years in various jobs that keep society running. Farming, plumbing and warehousing. You probably think that you know something about all three of these trades, it is a common thing, in the modern world, to believe that we know about things, we are more interconnected than any society before us.
But if you , or 99% of the members of any society, were told "There is going to be a new society built from the ground up, these three tasks are yours, sit down here, and design them for an entire world of people who HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THEM, and get it right first time, we can't have any downtime when the new world starts".
How do you think you would do?. I know
, absolutely, that you would try, and you would fail. You know why I know that?. Because I HAVE done these tasks for small parts of a society of other people who all know and have varied experience of the trades . . . and i would laugh incredulously if someone told me "You have done this before, design a world, right here, right now, have it work first time every time, all for a bunch of people who know nothing of it".
NO ONE, certainly not a guy who has never done anything but play games, and work in a shop, NO ONE could do this.
NO ONE could design a working world for people who have never had to work.
CAN.NOT. BE. DONE. Even with magic. Maybe ESPECIALLY with magic, because the magic requires you to make it work with one smooth flowing stream of words, and no such thing exists for human society.
Edit to add, for all the posters who say I am wrong, just you SHOW me I am wrong. Design a world of the complexity of Erfworld, right now, make it a magic spell if you like, and make it work FIRST TIME, because all their lives depend on it.
Go on, what is keeping you?.